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The REAL Future of Marketing

The REAL Future of Marketing with Seth Godin
In this episode, Eric Siu chats with Seth Godin about what truly makes great marketing—creating meaningful stories and focusing on long-term success. Seth shares why understanding your audience is key and talks about his love for writing and how books can make a real impact. This conversation will inspire you to think bigger and aim higher. Get a copy of Seth Godin's newest book "This is Strategy" here: https://seths.blog/tis/ Ready to level up together? 👉Founder's Mastermind for top founders: https://www.levelingup.com/founders 👉Growth Newsletter for top marketers: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe 👉Single Grain - Ad Agency focused on innovation https://www.singlegrain.com Connect with us! IG: https://www.instagram.com/ericosiu/ ⏰Timecodes ⏰ 00:00 - Understanding Modern Marketing Misconceptions 02:52 - The Philosophy of Strategy 05:47 - The Importance of Focus in Marketing 09:04 - Games and Infinite Play in Business 11:57 - Empathy and Its Role in Strategy 14:47 - Navigating Systems in Business 18:05 - The Power of Time in Strategy 21:00 - Generosity and Authenticity in Business 23:50 - The Strategy Behind Book Publishing 29:10 - The Journey of Writing and Its Impact 31:35 - The Birth of Email Marketing 35:48 - The Importance of Focus in Business 39:55 - Understanding Long-Term Games 43:45 - The Transformative Power of AI 48:34 - Education and the Need for Change Agents 49:58 - Mastering the Art of Storytelling 53:50 - The Balance Between Hustle and Patience
The REAL Future of Marketing with Seth Godin
Marketing, according to Seth Godin, is telling a true story that spreads and doing work that matters for people who care—not hype, hustle, or chasing clicks.
Here’s a detailed outline of the video, focusing on Seth Godin’s definition of marketing, with direct quotes and context from the transcript:
1. What Marketing Is (and Isn’t)
“People are misunderstanding what marketing is. It’s not hype, it’s not hustle, it’s not crushing it, it’s not elbowing people out of the way. Marketing is the work of telling a true story that spreads. It’s having a strategy where the wind is at your back. It’s doing work that matters for people who care.”
(0:00–0:23)
  • Godin immediately reframes marketing as authentic storytelling and meaningful work, not manipulation or short-term tactics.
  • He warns against “chasing clicks” and “short-term interactions,” calling it “a really hard slog.”
2. Marketing and Strategy Are the Same
“If a friend or a nonprofit needs help, they don’t have a marketing problem, they have a strategy problem. And strategy is: what is the change we seek to make in the world, and what are the tools we have to make that change happen?”
(0:40–0:59)
  • Godin equates marketing with strategy, emphasizing that real marketing is about intentional change, not just slogans or campaigns.
3. Strategy: Compass, Not Map
“Most people think strategy is what’s your plan… but plans are not strategies. Strategies say the future is not here yet. I can’t be sure what the future is going to bring. Resilience matters. I am probably not 100% right, but it’s better to have assertions than to just go in blind.”
(1:20–2:11)
  • He likens strategy to a compass—directional, adaptable, and philosophical—rather than a rigid map.
4. Focus and Remarkability
“Chasing shiny objects doesn’t work for dogs and it doesn’t work for people. The whole idea is you find a thing you want to stand for and a place where you can stand for it, and you stick with it and you get better at it.”
(4:42–5:08)
  • Godin stresses the importance of focus and becoming remarkable at one thing, rather than being mediocre at many.
“What marketing used to be is average stuff for average people… There is no mass advertising anymore… The alternative is to make ideas worth talking about. What makes it worth talking about? It’s remarkable—worth making a remark about.”
(6:12–7:10)
5. The Smallest Viable Audience
“Relentless focus and the smallest viable audience that you’re willing to commit to.”
(7:17)
  • Instead of trying to please everyone, Godin advocates for serving a specific group deeply.
6. Infinite vs. Finite Games
“Most of the things that we are doing in business are actually an infinite game… The purpose of a game of catch is to play more catch, is to engage with people and get closer.”
(12:35–12:46)
  • Marketing, in Godin’s view, is about building long-term relationships, not just winning transactions.
7. Empathy and Audience
“Empathy is this simple idea to say if I don’t get what these people want and I can’t assert it, then I can’t do good work… Pick the audience that needs you. If they don’t like your work, make better work. If they do like your work, they’ll tell the others.”
(22:38–23:14)
  • Understanding and serving your audience is central to Godin’s marketing philosophy.
8. Consistency Over Authenticity
“Professionals are consistent. They show up as the best version of themselves. Authenticity is for your friends. Consistency is for professionals.”
(10:34–10:41)
  • Godin distinguishes between being “authentic” (raw, unfiltered) and being “consistent” (reliable, trustworthy) in professional marketing.
9. Storytelling
“Stories are simply little invisible hooks into the experience we already had before we encountered the story, and stories include tension—they always have tension.”
(49:34–49:43)
  • Marketing is about crafting stories that resonate and create emotional connections.
10. Long-Term Value and Trust
“Don’t hustle. Build trust. Nobody I have ever met says, ‘I really like that person, they hustled me.’” (54:03–54:09) • Godin’s marketing is about trust, patience, and delivering consistent value—not pressure or manipulation.
TL;DR Analogy 
Marketing is less like a megaphone and more like a campfire: it’s about gathering the right people, telling true stories, and creating warmth that draws others in over time.
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